Hamo on Bonhoefer on Visionary Thinking

kinnon —  July 18, 2007 — 3 Comments

Hamo’s back and asks in a post called God Hates Visionary Thinking

Do you reckon he could be onto something?!

“God hates visionary dreaming; it makes the dreamer proud and pretentious. The man who fashions a visionary ideal of community demands that it be realized by God, by others, and by himself. He enters the community of Christians with his demands, sets up his own law, and judges the brethren and God Himself accordingly. He stands adamant, a living reproach to all others in the circle of brethren. He acts as if he is the creator of the Christian community, as if his dream binds men together….”

Please read the entire post here.

UPDATE: My friend, Ed Brenegar riffs on Hamo’s post. And Brant comments.



A television editor, writer & director since 1978. A Christian since 1982. More than a little frustrated with the Church in the West since late in the last millennium.

3 responses to Hamo on Bonhoefer on Visionary Thinking

  1. Excuse me while I commit that quote to memory.

  2. I find the whole “vision thing” so confusing. I read one source who convinces me that I need to have a vision to cast, remind people of frequently, work to implement, etc. Then, another source seems to downplay the need for vision or, at least, assign much less importance to it.

    As a pastor I have never had any great vision other than to tell people about Jesus and how to grow as his disciples.

  3. Hi Pastor M

    Some further relfection…

    I think Bonhoeffer was being intentionally hyperbolic in his statements.

    I am sure it is the individualistic ‘my vision’ notion that he is crtiquing rather than the communal discernment vision.

    I think he is concerned for the health of a community who are often open to abuse at the hands of a so called ‘visionary’ who is nothing more than a megalomaniac!

    The problem for us in churches is that often in its crudest form ‘vision’ is communicated as being what one man gets from God and then everyone els is either called to ‘get behind the senior pastor’s vision’ or go somewhere else.

    It becomes a tool of manipulation rather than a source of inspiration.

    Perhaps ‘our vision’ is a good thing but ‘my vision’ that I decide is ‘our vision’ is a bad thing?


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