The big problem with Willowcreek and many forms of American church is that it assumes the church is an institution that exists to satisfy needs – as they exist – unredeemed. When we organize church to do this it changes the very nature of the church making it unrecognizable as the people of God called to live the reality of His excellence before the world (1 Pet 2:9). The problem with the REVEAL report is that it takes all of this one step further, making spiritual growth into a consumerist personal need to be serviced by the church.
Read all of Dave’s post, please.
right now after listening is that I am surprised to what level Scot McKnight is sounds like an apologist for Willow Creek the Consumer Church.
UPDATE: On his blog post, after stating that Reveal co-author Hawkins’ criticism of bloggers is that ‘they haven’t read* the report or tried to call him’, Dave winsomely offers Hawkins, McKnight and others, that he will host an off Willow-campus conference
…bringing Willow, theologians and pastors together. I will charge only the cost to cover the expenses. LET’S GO! You know where to reach me. Put a comment on this blog or e-mail me via lifeonthevine.org. Blessings!
I recorded the WMBI show with Audio Hijack and will give it a listen again and will probably have further thoughts. A friend has sent me a link to Greg Hawkins’ talk about Reveal this past weekend @ Willow – I’m grabbing it to listen in iTunes later. (The site doesn’t allow internal links – so you’ll have to search it out for yourself.)
*Dave has read Reveal. I have not. I have surfed the Reveal site and watched the videos, however, and I’m still shocked by Hybels’ comparison of personal fitness trainers and creating personal spiritual training – it’s still the Consumer Church at work. Sorry Scot et al.
Hybels audio clip below.